promised to quit. >> do you say that his lawyers are lying or being disingenuous in their statement? >> no, i think they're parsing their words carefully. they're saying he hasn't been actively involved. they're portraying the fact you're still an official with a company as a meaningless thing. but you know, the reality is he didn't quit the positions, and that certainly creates more of a nexus to those entities. even beyaungd that and the reason i say it's a red herring is that what creates the conflict of interest concern is not your active daily control of the company. but your investment in the company. and they don't deny that he's continued to stay invested in a lot of these companies. and so then the question shifts to, well, let's look to see if it's a conflict of interest because we know the interest in this company. the conflict of interest comes from participating in matters that can affect those financial interests. or are motivated by those