looking into. >> anne? >> i agree. i mean to be in a meeting like that at that level by yourself, you know, i don't know if reckless or naive, i don't know what the right word is, but it's really not a good idea for kushner or the united states to have somebody in there because someone else could walk out from the other side and spin the meeting in a completely different way. you're unprotected. and so, you know, you never would go in without a witness. >> following some of that, i think there were some checks and balances put in place where he was checking in with h.r. mcmaster before he was going into those meetings. >> according to the reporting, mcmaster was concerned about these meetings, as i think was kelly understandably and they started now working much closer together and i think put a ca bosch on it. >> i think he will try to get away with those type of meetings that he had by himself by saying, i didn't know any better. ignorance is bliss in this situation. that being said, moving forward, everything he did and every meeting he had, he needs to be forthcoming about it.