inexplicable that they come from china, the largest country in the world. so we have to have a policy based on reality and facts. it's not like there's one line and everybody gets in it. >> but that's an argument to change the policy, not to violate the law as it exists. >> right. well that's where i think a lot of people come into the issue can we agree on daca, can we agree on children who are here. they didn't break the law and come over here and sneak this this country. they have been here their entire lives, the only country they know. they see themselves as americans. the children, we start with you. >> let me ask you, there are people on the right who say that's like saying a bank robber's children should keep the money. >> i -- >> they came here as the product of law breaking, why should they reap the benefit? >> many have left their countries because of civil warfare or poverty and crime and trafficking. all kinds of different situations. and we have a policy in the united states where we allow for