manafort goes to trial. >> the second charge is perjury. >> the second count is a false statement, correct. interestingly, back at a 2013 meeting between a lobbyist and a congressional member and manafort. so when i read this, i think to myself, if i were company a, who is named in this thing and that's one of the lobbying firms, this is not a good sign for me, either, because they've got that into focus because that's the lie that they picked. >> and just to give it some further context right now, manafort engaged -- they were serving as lobbyists and they didn't necessarily register with the justice department on the foreign agents' registration act, which is a crime. they were serving as lobbyists, as representatives for the ukranian president at the time who was closely aligned with the russians and vladimir putin, and that's how it's been brought in to this whole russia investigation. >> that's right, and don't forget, that's where a large portion of manafort's income