i do believe -- i do believe what you're saying is true. i do believe what you're saying -- [ audience reacts ] >> everyone, everyone, the senator has a right to be heard. he's answering mr. guttenberg's question. >> i do believe what you're saying is true. i do believe that someone like this individual and anyone like him shouldn't have any gun, not this gun, any gun. if you'll indulge me for a minute to explain to you the problem. first you have to define what it is. if you look at the law and its definition, it basically bans 200 models of guns, 220 specific models of guns. >> good. good. >> okay? but it allows legal 2,000 other types of gun that are identical. identical. [ audience reacts ] in the way they function, in how