against trump in the primary and anybody who was against hillary would be knocked out. >> so what are you saying? because i want to get mike until before we run out of time. what are you saying? >> it seems to me there is an evolution here toward an effort to get manafort's cooperation. i think while robert is right this case really doesn't lend itself necessarily to cooperation, it may a little bit pressure gates to make sure that he is cooperating and pleaing. i think they want manafort's testimony badly. and that's why i think we saw in court just last week mueller telling the judge that manafort may have engaged in bank fraud in terms of a mortgage that he used to secure his bond. there is a lot of pressure on manafort to cooperate with the fbi. >> and there may be additional charges. that's an important point to make. they're obviously applying pressure. and that's special counsel muell mueller's job, to press. >> we've got to run.