million guns were purchased by americans. now, that's an appalling figure for many people. 160 million guns -- >> yep, yep, got it. >> and during that period of time, violent crime in america went down 52% and the murder rate went down 54%. >> jack, let me ask you this. i hear your statistic. >> that's an important statistic for those who -- >> but why went it comes to gun violence do you want to talk about everything except guns? >> i'm willing to talk about guns. but i also want to have facts. when people say an ar-15 assault rifle, which it isn't -- >> wait, with wait, with hoait,. >> it's not an assault rifle. >> why are you protecting the ar-15 and how do you define that? >> an assault rifle is when you pull the trigger and it fires multiple rounds. >> no, that's an automatic weapon. when you say an assault rifle, it's a weapon of war. jack, come on. >> okay, let's talk about it, a weapon of war. david, do you deer hunt?