of that he went and worked for a nop profit supporting donald trump and had to leave that position because of his ties to paul manafort. it is unclear whether special counsel could be building to something bigger than paul manafort or something different that is not on our radar yet. >> sarah murray, thank you. i want to bring in our panel now to understand what this could mean for this investigation, for the president. joining us former u.s. district attorney moore and former senior adviser to the national security adviser under president obama, samantha vinaigrette. is this a way it nail manafort or put pressure on manafort to flip on someone bigger? >> yes. this is federal prosecutor style and it's a big deal. this news is a big deal tonight. i promise you, it's a big deal in the white house. if you think a minute about a typical drug case, and you go after the street level dealer and you get him to flip and he turns on the supplier and they