is that what you see happening? all the tweets and all the messages and all the confusing counternarratives, it's just an attempt to flood the zone like that? >> absolutely. >> i think it's a way to discredits other institutions that may become critical to him. starting with bob mueller. >> with the fbi? >> discrediting mueller, discrediting what may come out throughout justice department through mueller and the press on what we're reporting on what mueller does, so a third of the country will believe it's all overblown or it has been made up or whatever it may be. there is a clear pattern right from the beginning that has actually in some ways worked because it has kept that base together, but it's eroding the trust in the presidency. the trust in this president around the rest of the country, and it has been extremely damaging, i think for our sense of being a single people that we have some sense of unity about