may have said today that the outcome wasn't impacted -- again we don't know how he can come to that conclusion -- what he cannot say is that the trump campaign or anyone affiliated with it did not do anything wrong. i did not hear him say that. we know from who mueller has been talking to, let's use the trump tower meeting with don junior as the first example from last june, there are direct involvement of trump campaign officials or associates and their interactions with russians that are -- have been subject of these interviews. to suggest that somehow today's indictments makes it so that the campaign did nothing wrong, i just don't think we know that. >> you heard john dean cast doubt on that theory. >> i michael flynn cooperating with bob mueller, george papadopoulos cooperating with bob mueller. >> and poised to cooperate. >> think about those two, george