>> one of the things that jennie willoughby said to me last night was when she was considering taking out this temporary protective order, which a police officer recommended she get after he returned to her residence and punched his hand through the window, that she went to a bishop in her church to talk about this, and the bishop actually counseled her. he raised the concern that the bishop had that if she got a temporary protective order, one day it might become public and it might hurt rob porter's career. i was thinking about that when the president was talking about rob porter's career today as opposed to talking about anything related to any women. >> that's right. and this bishop that actually jennie says worked at the same workplace as rob porter -- so the person she was supposed to be getting counseling and help from was looking out for his career and didn't want her to do something that could go in the public records and potentially damage his future. and i think this sort of brings us to an important point, you know, we've been talking a lot about john kelly, the chief of staff and his handling of all of