so for all those reasons and others, i think this is really -- it's bad for the committee. you know, i was around when the two committees were stood up in the late '70s, house and senate. >> when they were formed? >> i'm sorry? >> you were in the intel community in the 1970s when they were created for their oversight role? >> right. exactly. and the general attitude of the members on both the committees, not 100% but mostly, is this is an important national responsibility, sacred public trust. it is unrelated to my home district, home state, or my party. what we have now is a far cry from that. and previous chairman mike rogers, now commentator for cnn, and ranking member rugesberger, they did things on a bipartisan basis. >> now what do you see? >> now the committee is