without giving us particulars about what you saw, would you say it's a bombshell, would you say the public would react in a -- with outrage? i mean, how would you -- >> i think, my own personal opinion, is that people when they see this memo, a lot of people are going to react by saying, that's what it is? >> gloria, you have new reporting about the lead-up to this. >> there are people that are familiar with this process that are worried about exactly what you're saying which is this could be overhyped and that that's probably why the white house will send it back to congress and let congress release it. that the process has been so messy that it may not be as clear-cut as the people who originally talked to the president about it would have liked. >> congressman, do you believe that devin nunes or his staffers have had contact with the white house or direction from the white house? because -- >> i don't -- i don't know, but i certainly suspect it. >> he was asked this question pointblank, he said he did not have contact, a member of his committee asked him, but when asked of staffers, he didn't