knew about throughout the campaign. >> that he didn't fess up to initially. >> and that mueller's team will want to talk to the president, presumably the next big news event here. how will that happen? when will it unfold? the president wants to do this over writing. prosecutors say mueller would never go for that. when and how that happens would obviously be of great interest and also a signal that this could be wrapping up as the president's lawyer said. >> what do we know about that, david chalian? >> not much. we don't have much insight of muchlt eller's insight here. it's all tea leaf reading. it's pretty opaque. he hasn't been updating us. it's pretty closely held. if you watch, just the fact pattern here. he did white house staff, closest staff in the west wing