jonathan swann, the reporter, has done a lot of good reporting on this topic of the president's conflict with the people at the justice department. so sure, it does seem like something he's now pressuring jeff sessions to pull off. >> adam, what's your reaction to this axios reporting tonight? >> i think it speaks highly of wray's character that he threatened to resign after this. but we've been talking a lot about the independence of the fbi. but the department of justice is also supposed to be independent. jeff sessions in his confirmation hearing last january said the attorney general is someone who has to be able to tell the president no. i think it says something about jeff sessions and his own stewardship of the justice department that he would pressure the director of the fbi to fire someone simply because the president of the united states has decided that this person is his political enemy. >> the other big story, of course, the government shutdown, adam. democratic senator dianne