shot. i think what's been happening with all this trophy hunting is that the hunter wants to go for the best and the biggest, the long ers horn, the longest tusk, the most splendid mane and this has to have a long-term effect on the species. >> but as you know, president trump's sons enjoy trophy hunting and now president trump is considering lifting the ban on importing elephant trophies. what would that mean? >> he did lift the ban but there was so much international outrage that he stopped lifting the ban and what it means is that it's even easier for the hunters to go and shoot these incredibly magnificent animals and import the horns or the tusks or the hides or whatever it is with no problem at all. just to show off to people.