i think some people can be straight up in your face. i think some people can do it quietly. so imply that everybody's racism exactly the same way i think is naive. can you agree with that? >> everyone's racist in the same way? >> no, in a different -- to say that everyone is racism in the way they show racism is going to be exactly the same way, there are a lot of people that are racist who aren't walking around as kkk members. it can be in a subtle way. people can be racist in different ways. >> but my question was to you how is the president racist, the question is, is the president racist? >> i'll say it again. i don't know if he is racist. you may not like that answer but as i said before these comments and what he said, i believe if in fact he said this it is absolutely wrong put it this way. >> all right. mark, is the president racist? n >> yeah the fist time you didn't