better life for our families. so mr. president, please forget this harshness that may play to some small base. appeal to something more basic, sweet strength. be better than this. because the people you lead who are the heart and soul of the greatest country in the world, america, they deserve better than this. this is a big story, we need perspective, let's get it, one on one right now, with senator bernie sanders of vermont. senator, i haven't seen you, happy new year to you and the family. >> you too, chris. >> i wish i could say i was surprised by what the president said tonight, but i'm not. this is just one opportunity where the white house hasn't tried to gloss it over, hasn't tried to say it was a mistake, hasn't tried to say we got it wrong, they say, the base is okay with this, they'll agree, do you? >> do i agree? no, i think it is appalling, and