congressman dent. when people were saying, build that wall, they weren't saying build that fence. they were expecting him to build a giant wall with a big, beautiful door and bring it in under budget and make mexico pay for it. >> one thing he said in the meeting, he said, we can do this for less than the seven years, it will take less time than that and less money. he was a little bit, in terms of showing some flexibility on it. i do think that the base republicans want to make sure that there is a real serious border security arrangement. >> i got to get steve in here for time purposes. is that -- is he backtracking on a promise here? >> well, of course he is, i don't know whether this is strategic ambivalence or an incoherent strategy. what we've seen over the last 24