supposedly there is consensus that these are not the people to villai villainize, even if you want to go on a campaign of getting people out of the country, this is not where to start. so if he is to construct some type of compromise. >> so take him at his word. >> we will see. as i said, the spell was broken. he was so different today. there is a fundamental distinction that you're ignoring. wait a minute. he was saying totally different things. bannon is out. and now whether coincidence or not, he is saying very different things. you're saying it's because he wants to get a deal done. >> he had the democratic leadership cut a deal on the budget to raise the ceiling. he met with democratic leadership early on -- >> this is different. >> daca. >> this is different. >> it is different and it should be refreshing. the fact he's going to davos should be refreshing. >> hang on a second. one step at a time. there's a difference between a position and a principle, okay? the wall was a principle. i want people out. we are not a nation because we don't have borders which, of