over time he shifted and started to question his competence, trump's competence to have had the job, do you buy that? >> i don't know if i buy it or not. i can tell you as i did the research for my book, i talked to bannon for 10 hours in july and then in august right after he left the white house. and i didn't sense any of that. look, steve bannon is media savvy. he could have been spinning me. but he was full of praise for trump at that point. and he would have to be a tremendous dissimilar lator to have been not on the level with me at all about that. so i did not sense any diminution in the esteem with which bannon held trump at that point in his conversations with me. >> curt, you still know people in the shop at breitbart. is it true what bannon has said in this book and this perceived division with the president may mean his outer? >> yeah. i think we have seen the last 24 hours the feet beneath breitbart