responsible people would even accept such a meeting given the stated purpose in the e-mail. >> the counter is these happen all the time. everybody wants to help. it was a nothing meeting. nothing came out of it. is that good enough? >> not in this context. look, in a campaign in a transition it is not unusual for an ambassador to reach out for relationship building purposes. and it would not be unusual for somebody to take the meeting, nod your head, be polite, say thank you very much for your interest to something of that nature. but my recollection of the intended purpose of the meeting was to get dirt on hillary clinton. that is very, very different. and as i said, federal campaigns are not supposed to be accepting assistance from foreign citizens and foreign governments. so it is very troubling. and i'm sure mr. mueller is investigating it. >> have you ever heard of anything like what's coming out of this michael wolff book about