singing from the same sheet of music next week when they have the scheduled leadership meeting at the white house to talk about this. there's pressure on both sides of this, right? for democrats, this is something the base wants, to protect the dreamers. for republicans, though, they don't want to further shrink their base or shrink their party by having something drastic happen to the dreamers, including the president has hinted at that, and he knows he can only afford to lose one vote in the senate on any deal that's done. so both have to figure out a way to navigate this. >> is this, perry, going to be a big immigration fight in january? >> i think it will. it's a bluster from trump. he knows that the wall he talked about during the campaign is not going to be built. you noticed that they have downplayed it. but this is a situation where he's demanding some kind of heavy border security measures that democrats will be likely opposed to. and he will insist upon those. i do think we're headed to a fight that will be pretty intense here. >> do you think that the markers laid out came as a surprise to any democrats? >> no.