them, that's going to help their business grow. what does that mean? that means they're going to add workers, add jobs. >> maybe. >> that means -- well, i believe it will. >> i know. i'm not saying you don't believe it. but they're maybes, senator. they're maybes. >> okay. ic concede that. as you add wages, job also go up. people, workers will become more productive. the real problem with wages, chris, has been that we ought to be -- our productivity are growth ought to be about 2%. for the past eight years it's been 1%. given our demographics, we're all getting older. we're not adding workers. we need to make the current workers more productive before you see a wage increase. and that's a long-winded way of saying that i believe -- i believe -- if i'm wrong i'll come back on your show and say i was wrong and here's why but i believe a rising tide does lift all boats. this isn't a zero to sum game.