destroy a human being's life, his family and everything that they stand for without giving him a chance. >> that was democratic senator joe manchin, saying senator al franken should not resign, at least not before an ethics committee investigation. joining me now, retired supreme court state justice who also believes that the senator should be given a fair hearing before resignation. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> why do you think al franken, for the moment, should stay in the senate and not resign? >> i think we should hear what happened, who is involved, what the issues are and, as a judge, i know that speedy justice can often mean justice denied. >> but haven't we heard the circumstances? haven't we heard from these six women? haven't we seen a picture of the woman on the uso tour? don't we have the evidence that