saying that that signifies emergency officials some looks of bodies. i still have richard beale and george bible with me, and richard beale, just looking at the placement, the precarious placement and the dangling of these cars, i'm thinking of the people who survived, how did they even begin to get them out? >> well, we don't know that they've got them all out yet, but when you have a situation such as this where you have rail cars that are unstable, they're going to have to enter them by one of two ways. try to get the prize open, the rear doors between the two cars which is extremely dangerous at this point, but there are emergency windows on every single passenger car that you can pull the rubber gaskets out and release the actual glass and get in there by buckets or by ladders from the fire