he can't just fire mueller the way he would fire somebody else. he would have to go through the department of justice. he would have to go through rod rosenstein. rosenstein made it, i thought, you tell me, pretty clear in his testimony that he does not see mueller as a malofactor. so if he refused to fire him, he would have to fire rosenstein, and we know how that goes from the nixon days. >> yeah, it would have to go through several steps and it would be like telegraphing a punch. the downside would be tremendous. at the same time, it's not clear -- we're seeing this mueller investigation, some of the things going on with two of the guys, strzok and weismann. it's not necessary that mueller himself is out to get the president. he has a long-standing record of honor and service to this country. but what we're seeing the investigation itself looking a little bit dodgy. and i think since he's already fired strzok for those texts with his lover and fired the lover as well, or moved her