now with her gone, maybe that is going to change because the impediment is not there. the notion that diversity is important is not falling on deaf ears at the white house. the white house is diverse when it comes to other groups like women but when you look at african-americans in senior level positions, they could do a better job. there are a lot of african-americans there at the white house and across the agency that are there and have been there from day one. >> we know ben carson -- >> i'm not talking about the cabinet. i'm talking about other levels in the white house. >> who? >> there are people -- the surgeon general himself, the vice president's office, the second lady's office, white house ledge affairs, there's white house fellow there is dedicated to supporting hbcus, you can go to department of defense, department of education. >> paris, send me the names, send me the list. we would love to be able to shine the line if there is all