russians were up to. the first is the light side. you have the lawyer vest veselnitskaya ka with. and magnitsky which is shorthand for the adoption issue. that's the light side. the dark side is that the russian government knew these people were getting into a high level meeting with a lot of senior trump people were present and using the people as cut outs to see whether or not the trump campaign in the person of donald trump junior and everybody else in the room as part of the team were interested in playing ball. would you take some information if we provided it to you? would you be willing to captor with us and we can help you win the election? personally from a counterintelligence perspective -- i can't speak from a legal perspective whether laws were broken or not. but i'm leaning towards the dark side on this. because it's difficult for me to imagine that vladimir putin and the russian government were entirely unaware that this group of russians had scored this meeting inside of trump tower