of the links between the trump campaign and the russians, the first one. he's the one who said listen, i represent this russian pop star whose father is a tycoon who has links to the attorney general. this is when this whole thing linking the trump's back to the russians directly started and he's got a central role in that. this is going to be very interesting to see what he comes up with. >> ken goldstone saying if i'm guilty of anything and i hate the word guilty, it's hyping the message and going the extra mile for my clients using hot button language to puff up the information i had been given. i didn't make up the details. i just made them sound more interest sg what he told this reporting with the sunday times. in terms of actual evidence in mueller's probe, how important might that e-mail be that he sent to don jr.? >> it could be hugely important. he asked about the legal exposure, not necessarily so much for him he's not even an