class and cabin class. the thing about stars, it was just like that. >> tony: the socialites could look around and go, "oh look at, i'm mingling with regular people." >> martha: totally in control. and you, of course, you loved that. you wanted to see him. you wanted to see who was touching your food, who was making it, and who was directing the rest of the guys in the kitchen. i think jeremiah was a celebrity chef. he was one of the first. >> alexandra: it was like a conductor walking through with an orchestra, and that's what he would do. d he usually h a gla of champagne in his hand, and if he