future. it's a serious policy error. >> the trump administration is still saying it could give middle americans a salary increase of $4,000 to $9,000? >> it's a nonsense claim. yes, there may be steuimulants d it may have an impact, but no serious expert that has access to the discussion has or will support the $4,000 to $9,000 claim. >> in a word you think the claim is? >> ludicrous. absurd. not going to happen. >> bottom line, is there anything good about this tax plan? >> there are some very limited efforts to contain some abuse involving tax havens, which, if substantially extended and expanded could be quite