was an adult carpenter. they became parents of jesus. there's just nothing immoral or illegal here. maybe just a bit unusual. as you might imagine that will -- katy wise of local station in mobile did manage to speak with him. she joins us now. so you were able to reach him regarding the comments he made to the washington examiner. what did he have to say. >> that's right, anderson. well, over the last few years of being an investigative reporter here in alabama, i have sustained somewhat of a rapport with ziegler, so i gave him a call about his defense for roy moore and on the phone with me he shied away from making those biblical reference that you just mentioned, but instead he gave me more a vague response saying there are several examples over the years of older men marrying younger woman, including moore himself, who married someone 14 years younger than him. and the get go really ziegler