people shot at one time, but if you go by that, there's almost one a day on average. when is the right time to talk about gun reform and gun control? >> i'm not saying we can't have the debate. >> a lot of republicans do. >> certainly right in the midst of we talked about the last segment, chelsea handler immediately attacking before we know the facts. that is fair to say let's grieve with these families first. but after a week or so, it is fair to have this -- >> but then there will be another mass shooting. >> it's losing debate for the left, because america is pro gun at the end of the day. >> no poll -- no one in america is trying to take away guns. 80% of americans are for background checks. >> but if you're honest about ending gun violence, all you can do is total confiscation. so it's a slippery slope argument. >> we're not going to have total confiscation. what we can have is sensible gun