not terrorism, that's insanity. >> you guys are focused on why it's done and how can you make that manifest in terms of agenda. james, let me bounce it back to you for a final point. you're the professor on the panel. this is happening more. when you look at the list of these, yes, they're a small, small percentage of overall gun violence but they're happening more and the most deadly ones in modern history have happened over the last decade? do you believe that is an existence or do you believe there is a trend that we have to examine? >> chris, if you look at this statistically, we look at august 1st, 19 66, the charles whitman clock tower shooting where i believe 15 people died from the texas clock tower shooter. we look at that from a law enforcement perspective as a first of the active shooter