obama had over her when she conceded in 2008. the idea that the dnc can rig a contest, frankly, is laughable. the caucus contests within the larger primer are the the contests that are run by the party. the primary elections are run by secretaries of state. bernie sanders won overwhelmingly those caucuses. if we look at what the party managed in this process, bernie sanders won those contests and we won only three of them and we bearable won iowa. there's no evidence to back this up. i understand it's convenient and people want to be angry at what's going. >> back with the panel now. what do you make of it? >> i covered hillary in the campaign and this is an issue that has dogged her for a long time. you kind of have to separate a couple things here. there's this document that donna brazile referenced which is not as she characterized it.