before the break we laid out two campaign stories, one from each side, driving latest skirmish in the election campaign that seemingly won't end. trump champaign and cambridge analytica. and democratic side, former campaign chairman john podesta and debby wasserman schultz denying paying the -- behind the dossier. joining me now. you said you didn't know about the payments, if podesta and wasserman schulz didn't know, who would have? millions of dollars given to law firm? >> to perform everyday legal work. perkins coupy firm would do fcc compliance, vetting of people on