presidential campaigns, and mark was a masterful strategist in two presidential campaigns and he knows this t. there are on going opposition research projects of varying intensity. and so it's not that unusual that there would be this kind of a project going on. but it's made to look much more sinister as it were by the fact that people didn't simply say, yeah, we invested in that as did some republican candidates. >> yeah. initially by a republican. so, mark, listening to the trump campaign is now using this dossier story and using the fact that hillary clinton and her campaign paid for it to debunk some of the contents of the dossier. do you think that's going to work? >> well, it's been a pretty good 24 hours for president trump. you can tell he's actually giddy