relations for the atlantic. also joining me is stephen hall. this is fascinating julia, you wrote a long piece about this. and you say it's not the first time. explain that to me. >> so it goes back all the way to the 1930s where the soviet union -- then it was the soviet union was looking to exploit processes that were happening inside the u.s., racial tensions happening inside the u.s. to splinter american politics. much the same way they used black lives matter and black matters west, you know, all these weird groups to fan the flames of social division and political division in the u.s. but it goes back all the way to the 1930's, including the scotts borough nine when these black men were accused repeatedly of raping two white women.