criticism of the congresswoman for making public this conversation, he's in an odd position though. he is no longer a general. chief of staff for an administration and president of that administration, of this country that brought this into the conversation by using conversations with gold star families to attack former presidents. >> yeah. anderson. what i would say, couple of things first. i consider john kelly a friend and comrade and battle buddy. we served together for 15 months in iraq, had quite a few exchanges in that period of time, i hope he feels same about me. we often talked about both of us having two sons in the military. wife and i had two sons and daughter-in-law who served nine tours in combat. i can't imagine the knock on the door was like for him and his wife. attended the funeral and been --