>> james lee wit. >> james lee wit has given me an a. plus for our hurricane efforts, and he says james lee wit, director of fema and under clinton, a man i really know and respect. you know that that's nonsense, that he never heard of that guy before this moment. and he gave it to me for all the hurricanes, including puerto rico and it turns out that wasn't true. it was given for just the first two. >> irma and harvey. >> so you think to yourself, there's something almost pathological about it. you know, he can't stop himself from just -- in that moment he feels like this will sound better. why don't i say i know this guy really well. >> people embellish all the time, but when you're the leader of the free world, that's a whole other level. >> really interesting question that's why i think it's pathological. why do it? it doesn't really give you much advantage. it ends up producing this firestorm of fact-checking and criticism.