>> it doesn't? >> neither one of them really take too seriously what the reports of those kind of ins depts are. i think secretary tillerson did a great job saying that's an irrelevancy to what he's doing. and i can tell you president trump is so far above worrying about words. >> there seems to be a disconnect because on background lots of people at the white house are saying this is a president who is mad, frustrated s isolated, tweeting about senate leaders, getting in fights, you know, getting in fights with the leaders of the senate. and you're saying he's fine. >> absolutely. and look, he's not -- >> how do you reconcile that? >> here is how you reconcile it. first of all, he's not isolated. it's a president who has managed his whole life, for the 40 years that i've known him he's been successful at everything, but he manages by conflict. so he replies in various points of view. he listens to them all and then