gone on for quite a while now. but has reached another crescendo. the subsequent denials and reaction to that. it's interesting the president is taking great issue with that, and said that it just -- it's not true, and -- but i mean, his denial was sort of, it wasn't even that tillerson hadn't called him a moron, it was that he hadn't threatened to resign. >> we know the president was furious when he heard about this. and i think the president probably doesn't know what the exact truth is. tillerson is denying it. but there are people obviously who heard it, who leaked this story. and the president's furious, and i'm sure tillerson is not going to stay forever. the president now has this cabinet that he's not -- he's not comfortable with, right? >> tillerson wouldn't deny the fact that he used --