other topics, the fbi agents monitoring the phone calls are supposed to not listen and not record. that's called minimumization. now the question would be if the fbi agents were listening and manafort and trump if he's speaking to trump were talking, the question would be were they discussing something that was within the ambit of the investigation where it would be proper to record it or were they talking about unrelated political matters, do you think hillary clinton did well in the deba debate, something not jermaine to the investigation. >> but if it's something questionable? >> my experience is fbi agents tend to air on the side of listen and record it. if the you minimize and don't hear it it's gone forever. a lot of defense lawyers are skeptical about the whole process of it and they think it's bogus it doesn't remove anything. but that means you can't have a