paul manafort being wiretapped and donald trump being wiretapped by the orders of barack obama, that's not the same thing. again, it's so important to remember. this operates on two tracks. yes, there's a political track. there's the attempt to discredit bob mueller, and donald trump is saying again and again this is a witch hunt. the legal track continues and continues aggressively and really operates in a lot of ways, while, of course, the political pressures are there, and operates totally separate from it. no matter what is said, well, see, donald trump was right -- bob mueller and his investigation continues on here the way that politics is not terribly influenced by it. >> can i make one point about the investigation. we put a lot of emphasis on who