you. >> i think there's also a toll -- this is an obvious point that bears repeating. this is an unprecedented situation. maybe you've been reading too much facebook, i don't know. this could look like they are trying to go after a candidate who's running for president that they are spying on him, that they are wiretapping trump tower. i think that obviously there's the other side. paul manafort was a pretty very muchy guys guy who was involved in very questionable things. but i think this obviously takes a big toll on the country. and i'm pretty sure you can expect some conservatives saying that it's not -- >> we're going to get a quick break. when we come back, new reporting from the "new york times" where