since then with antifa, you look at really what's happened since charlottesville, a lot of people are saying, in fact, a lot of people have actually written, gee, trump might have a point. i said you've got some very bad poem on the ear side also which is true. but we had a great conversation. >> chris, why? >> why? >> i mean, that -- >> well, okay. i've spent some time thinking about this. the only possible answer, don, is that he is extremely driven to prove he is right in visit wale -- well, take away the virtually. in every circumstance, because politically speaking, this makes no sense to relitigate this. the question of how was your meeting with tim scott is really a very easy question to answer if you're donald trump. this is not a gotcha question. you say the senator and i had a very productive meeting.