come up with a coherent policy so we can move forward. right now we're in the same -- they do something, we threaten, they do something else, we threaten some more, and nothing changes the situation. it just gets worse. >> because of that, i think a lot of people are waking up and they're hearing about this and they're wondering how dangerous is this situation? as i understand it, it's the miniaturization capability that is of utmost importance here, is that correct? >> yeah, that's exactly right. we know they're developing the missiles because you can watch that. we can watch the test and we know what the capabilities are. with no-kn we know they have an icbm. what we did not know is they were working on a miniaturized kwarhead for the icbm. if it's not there, it will be very shortly. that's the threat. that's the threat that will threattown united states. for years we have said we have time. we have time to negotiate with north korea.