continue, i don't care what the judges say. that's called contempt by definiti definition, by the way. and this is supposed to be a law and order presidency. >> i don't agree. >> hold on, congressman. if you don't agree with him, then you agree with him being convicted of the crime because that's what he was convicted of. >> not necessarily. >> it was a contempt order. he then said through his lawyer that he unintentionally violated the law. it was an unclear order. i know this is his lawyers, but joe arpaio had a chance to do it the right way and he didn't and he boasted about it. now you're defending his flouting of the law. why? >> i'm saying this, i don't agree with him for defying the judge's order. we also should remember judge snow issued an order that was judge-made law, and it wasn't consistent with federal statute and there's nobody that can quote a federal statute, a law, against what joe arpaio did. and he said mistakes were made. that's how he defined what happened. but i don't know how you enforce