he's very strong on borders, very strong on illegal immigration. he is loved in arizona. i thought he was treated unbelievably unfairly when they came down with their big decision to go get him right before the election voting started, as you know, and he lost in a fairly close election. he would have won the election but they just hammered him just before the election. i thought this was a very, very unfair thing to do. when i mentioned him the other night, you saw the massive crowd we had. the people went crazy when i said, what do you think of sheriff joe, or something to that effect. the place went absolutely crazy when i was in arizona last week. and as far as pardons are concerned, i actually did this just before the meeting because i assumed somebody would ask me the question. i didn't know it would be you. as you can attest, you didn't even know you would be called. but i thought i would, and sheriff joe is a great veteran of the military, great law enforcement person. somebody that's won many, many elections in the state of arizona.